Nevada Ranks Poorly in New Gun Report
Advocates on both sides of the gun control debate are fired up after a new report shows Nevada isn’t doing enough to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
The National Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence just released its annual scorecard. It ranks states by how effective their existing laws are in curbing gun violence and illegal gun trafficking.
“Gun control doesn’t control criminals. We need to control criminals,” said gun store owner Bob Irwin.
According to the latest scorecard by the National Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Nevada fails miserably when it comes to curbing illegal firearm trafficking, conducting background checks, promoting child safety, banning assault weapons, and keeping guns out of public places.
Nevada received only 11 points out of a possible 100.
Gun store owner Bob Irwin says the Brady scorecard misrepresents the facts, “Their argument is the state doesn’t require background checks but that’s only because the feds do.”
While there is no state law requiring a waiting period for first-time handgun buyers, Irwin says Clark County has a 3-day restriction.
Yet anyone can buy a handgun or assault weapon on the spot at a Nevada gun show — no questions asked.
“I can’t believe that’s allowed. It’s putting people at risk,” said Maria Outcalt with Domestic Violence Prevention.
It’s that easy access that has Outcalt convinced that stronger gun control laws would help curb violence.
While there is great debate over whether tougher gun laws are a good idea, advocates on both sides of this issue agree on some things.
They say tougher enforcement of the gun laws we already have on the books and more gun safety education would go a long way to combating crime and making us all safer.
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January 31st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
The following sentence is not true, and I’m very suprised the author of the story allowed it to br printed.
“Yet anyone can buy a handgun or assault weapon on the spot at a Nevada gun show — no questions asked.”
This is false. Anyone buying a gun at a gun show must fill out the required paperwork and go through a background check just like they would at a gun store. There is no “gun show loophole.” It is funny how the Brady bunch twists the facts.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Nevada is irresponsible. It is not just the criminals doing the maiming and killing. It’s your average gun owner. The domestic shootings, anger and rage incidents, accidental shootings involving children getting hold of guns…
The least this state can do is control the sales at gun shows. It’s just a question of time till some guy finally not only buys one there, he’ll use it on a gun dealer. Then will you gun nuts wake up? It isn’t the criminals…it’s you guys that are endangering the rest of America with your paranoid vigilante save the day mentality. I can’t recall one newspaper article on how a gun owner saved anyone with his gun, but everyday there is a new horror story about pregnant women being shot by their boyfriend, a thirteen year old using dad’s gun on his friend, etc. Don’t you read the newspaper?
Gun owners save the money you spend on those bullets. You can better serve mankind just by finishing high school and cutting back on beer. Hello…
January 31st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I am an NRA certified instructor, firearms owner and enthusiast. All my children shoot and my wife. Gun laws need to be enforced, criminals need to be put away. And yes the news unfortunately just talks about the bad things, firearms are used every day in this country, for justifiable self defense. But more than that, most firearms owners are active in their “sport” or hobby. I shot competively for many years and now I teach firearms safety. Not how to kill people. There is a 100 different ways to compete, and enjoy firearm ownership. My firearms have never hurt anyone, and my family, enjoy them as a family activity. There has always been a “air” of negativety surrounding guns. Yet no one ever reports on the sporting use of firearms. Benchrest, IDPA, IHMSA, IPSC, blackpowder, high power, small bore, air guns, the list goes on and on about safe legal honest American gunowners enjoying their hobby. Most of them dont purchase firearms “to hurt people”. My firearms have never hurt anyone, and there are millions of other firearms owners just like me. I would love to be interviewed and let the “other side of the story” come out. That report you posted tonight was completely biased. I have always watched channel 8 because of the excellect reporting, and people like George Knapp. But one sided stories like this drive me nuts.
Thank you
Tim Brown
January 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Derey,
Just last month a horrible massacre at a church in Colorado was prevented because a private citizen was carrying a legally owned handgun. She was able to shoot the suspect before he was able to kill anymore people – he had already killed several people at another church earlier in the day. I’m sure you saw the news reports of the shootings, they were all over CNN.
January 31st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Derey, nice to see your anti-gun set-the-poor-criminal-free mentality helps to obscure the facts that are apparent to everyone else.
Here’s an entire website dedicated to media stories where law-abiding gun owners have defended themselves, with firearms, from those that would prey on them.
http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html
January 31st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Derey, Before you go off on something like this, first, get an education on the subject, then make your observation. You come off as just another smartassed teenager who’s sole goal in life is to grab attention.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Yeah, firearms are a real problem in America. Or are they? Here are stats from the National Safety Council for 2004.
44,933- deaths in motor vehicles(remember that when you get in your car.)
18,807- deaths from falls(be carefull not to trip and fall going to the mailbox.)
649- deaths from accidental firearms discharge.(see below and ask yourself what’s more dangerous?)
774- deaths from falling from chairs, beds and other furnature.(Be carefull getting out of bed)
16,750- deaths from self-inflicted gunshots
11,624- deaths from assaults by firearm
235- death by event of undetermined intent using a firearm
311- deaths by legal intervention involving firearm
29,569 Total firearm deaths
44,933 Total vehicle “accident” deaths
Enjoy your drive to work tomorrow. I might just walk to work while legally carrying a pistol. It’s much safer.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:41 am
“Yet anyone can buy a handgun or assault weapon on the spot at a Nevada gun show — no questions asked.”
This is a lie.
Guns sold at gun shows are subject to exactly the same regulations as those sold anywhere else. Any weapon purchased from at federal firearms licensee (FFL) can only be made after filling out a from 4473 and submitting to a background check. Failure to do so is a federal felony. This applies regardless of where the gun is purchased, be it in a store or at a gun show.
Depending on state law, private sales from one citizen to another may or may not require a background check or paperwork. But the rules are the same whether the transaction takes place in a gun show, the parking lot outside the show, or in a home.
Please tell your reporters to stop taking dictation from anti-civil rights groups like the Brady Bunch.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:56 am
Thank you to the “Brady Bunch Gun Ban Group”. Gun owners now have a comprehensive list of problem states/areas that gun owners can ‘target’ to try to enhance their Second Amendment rights. It also provides a definitive look at their “truth be damned” disinformation techniques for use in debates and editorials.
February 1st, 2008 at 9:06 am
One sided stories like this drive me crazy! Channel 8 is better than this. Bob Irwin, by the way, is not the only expert on firearms in the Las Vegas valley. The Brady Bunch has only one agenda; the disarmament of America, unfortunately the bad guys don’t obey laws. The Brady Campaign is NOT a credible source for any information on firearms. Their agenda is suspect and their rhetoric is always false hysteria.
It’s time that the conversation be turned to how many are saved by firearms each year. In the news today, here in Las Vegas, an individual recovered a firearm from a home invader and shot him as the perp was attempting to rape a woman. Again, firearms save lives each and every day..right here..in Las Vegas!
February 1st, 2008 at 11:59 am
Remember, more people die from medical malpractice than from guns. Why don’t they outlaw doctors? — because they serve the ‘greater good’. More people are saved by them than die from them. The same is true for guns. That’s why guns are not (should not be) banned.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Guns kill, they don’t save lives, who are we kidding here? In the US we have over thousands of deaths a year from gun shot injuries. The American Academy of Pediatrics campaigns for gun control laws, because of the multiple injuries every day to children who get their hands on guns. Gun owners are irresponsible to deny gun control is necessary, especially since it is their own guns that is causing the gun death numbers to rise in urban cities.
Talk car deaths? Look at getting a driver’s license, the testing, the insurance, and then look at what we require for a gun purchase. Nothing. Which is why there is so much concern for legislation now. You sure don’t see Nissan padding the campaign pockets of candidates to dictate traffic laws…so why does the NRA do it? Total conflict of interest.
Saving lives? Let’s talk domestic homicides which are growing daily…
Gun control will save us from you guys, and that’s what needs to be done.
February 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Derey,
The reason you do not see guns saving lives in the media is because they brush it under the rug. The majority of media is liberal and their goal is to erase the second amendment and as much of the constitution as needed for them to take control of us. The rest just know violent crimes sell. Ignoring cases of self defense is a marketing decision.
Studies have shown that citizens use firearms to prevent crime 764K to 2.5M times a year depending on which study you choose to believe. Guns are used in the process of a violent crime 691K times a year, which is less than 10% of violent crimes. So even if you go with the lowest figure for defensive uses firearms are still used more for defense than for violent crime.
History shows that when you lessen gun control crime either stays the same or it drops in the United States. More guns in the hands of citizens does not increase crime.
Your decree that it isn’t the criminals that are responsible for crime is just ridiculous.
Read up.
http://gunfacts.info/
February 2nd, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Peter,
“…and then look at what we require for a gun purchase. Nothing.” You have obviously NEVER bought
a handgun in your life. A “questionaire” and a back-
ground check ARE required, as well as a multiple
choice test. You insult the inteligence of honest, law
abiding Americans. I belong to a WAS (Western Action
Shooting) Club. I shoot steel targets, NOT people as
you suggest. Murders are almost a daily occurence here
in my city of nearly 1/2 million people. And contrary
to your misinterpretation, the NRA actively promotes
GUN SAFETY, and HUNTER SAFETY. The NRA IS the largest
promoter of SHOOTING SAFETY in the USA. A legal gun
owner here recently came under attack here, in his own home, and saved his own life by being armed. Self protection is a right, in most states. Committing MURDER is NOT a right…try telling that to the BRADY BUNCH!!
February 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Shame on Nevada. I am sick until death of this travesty.
The idea that the people of Nevada allowed the Brady Center to spot them 11 points towards a gun free Utopia makes me cringe.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
To all you anti gun nuts, having a concealed and exposed firearm has saved my life and my family’s life. In the Army deployed overseas of course it saved my life, and being back home working crazy hours at night, it was always good to play safe and it has benefited myself as well as responsible gun owners who use it for protection, and no I don’t have a Rambo mentality. If you don’t like Nevada gun laws move somewhere else.
March 12th, 2008 at 5:02 am
All the gun laws are in place in Nevada. They just need to be enforced. Also parents need to be held accountable when their firearms “come up missing”.
April 9th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Per Sid:
“If you don’t like Nevada gun laws move somewhere else.”
Well said Sid. Maybe they should move to Washington DC or New York where gun control has worked so well in the past.
Regarding your lack of Rambo mentality, most anti-gun nuts think ALL current and former military MUST have a Rambo like mentality. Thank you for setting that record straight as my husband is retired military and he has NEVER had a Rambo like mentality! I would like to point out to Derey that I DID finish high school and I even finished college. I DO NOT drink beer AT ALL! I not only read the newspaper daily but, I read three different newspapers. I am very familiar with the lack of “Feel Good, Human Interests” stories as the media usually capitalizes on the negative aspect – It is, after all, what sells their papers.
To Mr. Peter Schwartz, the NRA sponsors MANY educational classes regarding the responsible manner in which to purchase, own, handle, store, and utilize a firearm. I suggest you to go educate yourself with an NRA sponsored class. Yes, you are required to take a test to receive a driver’s license but, taking and passing a required test does NOT make you a good nor safe driver! Before I had my first child, I sought and attended EVERY parenting class my community offered in addition to the MANY books/articles and various publications I read – it was NOT required but, I wanted to be a good Mother so, I took measures to guide me in that direction. None of my actions guaranteed I would be a good Mother but, I became more educated on the subject. Mr. Schwartz, you obviously fear anything unknown to you so, I would like to invite you and Derey to put down your newspapers and go educate yourselves on safety techniques involving firearms. I can SAFELY say to you “BEEN THERE, DONE THAT” with your closed mind mentality as I was VERY ANTI GUN until I was 18 years old. Up until my boyfriend (now my husband) put a single action 22 bolt rifle in my hand and instructed me on how to (safely) shoot down field, I was very naive and ANTI GUN! Up until he actually placed that firearm in my hands WHICH I DID NOT WANT HIM TO DO but, I did NOT protest, I WAS VERY ANTI GUN. Up until that day when I was 18 years old, I had ALWAYS (for 12 years) BLAMED the GUN used to shoot my Father in his right temple, thus resulting in his death, for his demise. I have since learned, through education and opening my eyes (along with my closed mind) that the gun was not responsible for my Father’s death. ONLY the person holding the gun, pointing it into my Fathers temple and pulling the trigger was responsible for his death. My husband and I have different opinions WHICH we are entitled to believe, after we BOTH researched the situation. I believe that person WAS my Father. My husband believes my Father was murdered. Both of us agree that the firearm bears NO responsibility in this situation. Join me, educate yourself and open your minds. I am NOT suggesting you change your opinion as I did many years ago. You are entitled to your opinion. I believe people need to research all areas before taking such a strong stance on any subject because, just like your opinion, you have the right to vote, bear children, and do anything else in this country that does NOT require you to take a class nor research the subject matter. THAT is what frightens me the most! You may write: “Gun control will save us from you guys, and that’s what needs to be done” but, who will save ALL of us from you when you cast a ballot for a candidate based on what you’ve read in the newspaper without researching that candidates past actions and their voting record. Or, even worse, who will save ALL of us from you when you PROCREATE and guide your offspring on the basics of keeping a closed mind, forming an opinion based on fiction, and repeating the same errors in judgment. None of the latter requires a license or insurance, unfortunately!
Respectfully I remain,
A Retired Navy Gunners Wife
May 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
As many great officers of the law have said, a peaceful society is an armed society.
When you Prohibit firearms in any way, you increase the chance of the criminal having the upper hand.
You liberals should just move elsewhere if you don’t like law abiding citizens carrying weapons to protect your sorry azz.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
The following sentence is not true, and I’m very suprised the author of the story allowed it to br printed.
“Yet anyone can buy a handgun or assault weapon on the spot at a Nevada gun show — no questions asked.”
This is false. Anyone buying a gun at a gun show must fill out the required paperwork and go through a background check just like they would at a gun store. There is no “gun show loophole.” It is funny how the Brady bunch twists the facts.
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Yes, you MUST RETRACT that statement! Why are you spreading lies?
If there is a debate, why would you try to dilute that debate with non factual statements ?!?!?!?
RETRACT!
July 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
These stories are always misleading. We have a high per-capita death rate because at any time, there are 3 million people here that do not live here.
If you take tourists into account, we are probably one of the lowest.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I am from the UK and visit Nevada between 3 and 5 times per year. Am i allowed to purchase a firearm (not handgun) as a so called foreigner ?
July 25th, 2008 at 11:06 am
To Mark from UK.
Sorry sir. You cannot purchase a firearm here to take back to the UK. You need to get your fellow citizens together overthere and change your firearms laws to allow you to purchase what firearmyou are seeking.
Dan
Las Vegas, Nevada
July 30th, 2008 at 11:22 am
I hate idiots who make reports uninformed and with no idea of what they are talking about. i have owned my own firearms ever since the government would allow me to. but being responsible i researched every gun law of my state before doing so. maybe before writing something this stupid you should do some research? its my belief that if you take the guns away from everyday citizens that we would be rather defenseless because criminals are criminals and if they want a gun legal or illegal they will get it and have no problem using it. also guns or no guns there will be criminals violence and murder its been around far longer than firearms. taking them away wont make much difference.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 am
What nobody here is addressing is the fact that within countries that have banned the possesion of all firearms for it’s lawful citizens, the violent crime rate has skyrocketed, doubling and tripling in most case. Just look at What has happened in Austrailia and the U.K. It seems to me that there are so many people who have no real awareness of firearms who are chomping at the bit to take them all away from everyone else who owns them legally. Look at the percentage of crimes that are committed by Concealed Carry Permit holders here in America. Next to nothing.
If that were not true, then how come we have 4/5th’s of our states that issue CCW permits for it’s citizens who can pass a background check and qualify with their chosen sidearms? The next time you hear of a shooting that is gang/drug/felony related, as yourself how many of those are committed by law-abiding, legal gun owners.
September 24th, 2008 at 5:09 am
Outside of gun shows, I find that NV is too lax in that they have licensed a gun shop in a residential area where he sells and manufactures guns, 1/2 of the guns have paperwork – other 1/2 does not to avoid paying taxes. The shop also doesn’t require parental consent for kids to buy guns. Across the street, there lives a kidnapper/child molester. In front of the shop and this molester, CCSD so kindly put all of the school bus stops. So, kids can get guns….molester can get guns if he is in the 1/2 that is not filed for taxes and the unarmed kids are are risk? This is okay??? I am sorry, but something really should be done about situations like this.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:23 am
To the comment posted by “Jen”
I’m a federally licenesed Firearm Manufacturer here in Clark co. Clark county does not allow Dealers or manfacturers to have a shop in a residential neighborhood. ATF will not issue a license unless you are in compliance with all Fed,State and County laws. The ATF does compliance checks before you are issued your license and do regular compliance checks after they issue your FFL. So you are wrong there!
Every gun manufactured has to be papered and federal excise tax paid, ATF is very stringent on this, you cannot get away with it. So again you are wrong!
The law requires a person to be 18 years of age to buy a rifle and 21 years of age to buy a handgun no parental consent is needed if you are of age. All gun sales have to go through a background check, if you are not of age or have a felony or domestic abuse charge against you, you will be denied the sale by the state Highway patrol who does the background checks.
So again you are wrong!
And finally you try to say gun dealers will sell to child molesters. Maybe the child molesters should be in jail then it wouldn’t be an issue now wood it. But then maybe your one of those people that believe they are just misunderstood and should be free.
Bottom line, enforce existing laws before you start screaming for more infringements on a constitutional right.
Honest law abiding citizens shouldn’t have to have there rights infrigened based on emotional speculation.
Jim Fuller
Rifle Dynamics
07FFL/SOT
October 8th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
You cant just go to a gun show and buy a gun like it was a swap meet. The same rules apply just like buying a gun anywhere else. Wow i guess with this logic, anyone who owns a computer is stealing creditcards and hacking, everyone who owns a steak knife is a night-stalker, and everyone who owns a gun is a violent criminal. Sorry but its the the other way around, the law abiding citizens who are registered gun owners are not criminals. And to top off your flawed logic, if i really had malicious intent to kill some one, why would i wait around to get a gun if i could just grab a knife, rock, metal-pipe, hammer, screwdriver, hypodermic needle, razorblade, a car, a rope, etc, etc, i mean there are a lot of items out there that can kill people, maybe we need to bring all these other objects under the nazi control of a brady bunch bill
October 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
HEY YAY JEN!!
You are so right, i just walked right in and the guy gave me 20 guns and i didnt have to even pay for em!! yeah, yeah, no background check, no paperwork, i never knew how easy it was to just walk out with a gun, its like buying groceries!!! and you are so right, all the little kids at the bus stop have guns, they get them from that gun shop, hell he gives them away! OH and that child molester yeah he has guns too, gee jen, how do you know that hes a child molester? did you look him up on LVMPD’s website, if so, and he is in fact a convicted offender, uumm, how do you think he got past the backround check? yeah, no. Really Jen please stop this nonsense, your character assassination of LAWFUL gun shops and owners is communist propaganda and i wont tolerate it. First you should truly go into that gun shop and try to buy a gun, you will see that they literally ATTACH YOU to that gun, even more than the DMV does your car. FEDERAL agencies are called as so are the highway patrol. You sound mental, as a matter of fact mentally unstable people are the very people that should not be near gun shops. I know the solution for you Jen, the gun shop doesnt need to move, you need to move, consider California. You will find it to me a much safer place where people dont utter the word “gun” people dont own guns and gangs, drugs, rapists, child molesters and home invasions dont exist. One word Jen, Delusional, look it up.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Oh yeah one more comment for JEN JEN!!! Do you know who the IRS is? Do you know how much the IRS LOOOOOOVVES your money? Do you know that the IRS knows you even more when you are well known by other three letter agencies. Do you know that the IRS knows you more when you charter an LLC, C-corp etc or have a business. Do you know the the ATF is kind of like the DEA and DHS, they watch EVERYTHING you do (if you deal guns). So with that said, if a gun shop owner, who owns a business, has his nuts tied to the ATF, and is WELL KNOWN by the IRS, how the hell do you think he is going to be open at all? Yeah im not buying that “doesnt pay taxes”. See people that can slide by by not paying taxes may try that and succeed, but a gun shop OWNER is a very high profile person in the eyes of all those three letter agencies. Well i guess i leave you to ponder hard this saying as it pertains to gun shops JEN, nothing is certain except death and taxes!!!!! think about it Jen.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Mr peter schwartz, I hope you never have to experience having your home invaded, then held at gun point while you have to watch your wife being raped, then perhaps shot in the head. See these people dont buy guns legaly, they dont register them and they dont care about you. You will never see me invading your home or raping your wife because im the guy that wants to be left alone, im the guy that doesnt want to get shot by someone, so why would I, a legal gun owner have the intention to hurt anyone. But, I wont let my wife be harmed nor do I want to be harmed. I suppose you dont have anything you hold that dear, i guess you dont have a wife or kids of anyone you want to shelter or protect. Maybe you are, delusional and perhaps too selfish to love anyone enough that you are willing to shoot someone that is trying to kill you and what you love. I guess that is ok right. Its ok let him break in and run your life for you, let him tell you that you have to sit there and watch your loved ones be violated and murdered. There is no excuse for murder or rape, however there is an exception and there is only one exception, if i must murder in order to save life or limb, God forbid that that day would come but so be it. I DO NOT glorify murder, I dont want to live with that, and i dont want to carry the baggage of getting over that. But what kind of baggage would you have peter if you ALLOWED some one to come in and do this to people you LOVE. Yea i said ALLOW because that is what you are doing, pacifism is what Nazi Germany used and Communist Russia used and what Cuba and China still use to “cope” with having NO SPINE. Maybe if you find out what love really is then maybe you will find out how much that person really means to you, you would be willing to use deadly force, if you had to then i bet.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Peter. You are saying ignorant things. I would invite you into my house, Im not threatening you, i mean really openly invite you to come in and try to find my guns. You wont find them. Nor will a robber when i am not home. So if that is the case how will my children find them? hmmm? Another thing. Once my children are preteenage they will be shooting too. Which means safety, learning to clear magazines, clearing the breech and/or chamber, field striping, cleaning, proper handling of the gun and ammo, education on how to handle lead residue and decontamination of such. Are you dumb do you think i want my child to stumble on something they know nothing about and use it like a toy. Do you think i want my child harmed by a lack of knowledge? Here we go with you needing to be taught how love works. Look, a gun is a very SIMPLE mechanical device that is a hunk of metal without ammo. If you can teach a child to drive a hunk of metal, you can teach em how to shoot one too. Heres the trick peter, you teach em…. get this.. k wait for it….. you teach em how NOT to kill someone. BING! Thats right peter, very good, you get a gold star!! even cars can be driven in a manner as not to kill anyone. It comes down to mental status, and if they boy or girl is healthy, that means no ridilin or paxil or other crap that doesnt fix things, then they can learn that its not a toy and needs to be taken seriously and responsibly, just like a car.
October 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
For all you scared people that are afraid of hunks of metal i have a revelation for you. The most dangerous part of the gun is not the gun. Its not even the ammo. Its the primer!!!, yes thats right, the little teeny tiny part in the back of the casing that is a little larger than a pin head. See you have to actually hit that thing with some considerable force. Guess what, the ammo is more dangerous than the gun. If you want to talk about guns just shooting people all by themselves. Damn demon possessed guns!!!!
October 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
And as for the brady bunch. They want to control guns, but what happens when a person takes a shot gun shell, sticks it into a piece of metal pipe and strikes the primer? Um you have a shotgun. So what stops a mental criminal from doing this. Gun control is like taking paxil you are putting a band-aid on a severed leg. Gun control is a half-a$$ way to control crime when the criminals need to be controlled, not objects. Hey a guy just got stabbed!! damn now i have to use a fork to cut my steak!!!